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Feb 28, 2020

In this episode Lars talks to Kenneth Danford, co-founder and executive director of North Star, an alternative to middle school and high school in Sunderland, Massachusetts. Since 1996 he’s been “helping kids leave school” (sic), and can talk from personal experience about what has happened to over 500 adolescents as they have done just that. Spoiler: It works better than you might think.

In 2019 he published the book Learning is natural. School is optional. The North Star approach to offering teens a head start in life. In it he tells the story of North Star, how he went from teaching in middle school to starting this alternative, his own uncertainties about what giving kids this amount of freedom might lead to, and some lessons learned, more than twenty years down the road. It’s honestly one of the most inspiring reads we’ve come over in the last couple years, so get yourself a copy.

Some of the main questions that Kenneth asks in the book are:

 

  • What if kids are naturally curious?

  • What if we counted the things that they are interested in as worthy and valuable?

  • What if kids can pursue their strengths as far as they can go?

  • Will kids decide to address their weakness and gaps when needed?

  • What if being happy is more important than being forced to do things that adults believe are "good for you?"

  • What if the way we treat kids outside of school is actually more effective in their learning than the way we treat them inside of school?

  • What if we had summer camps and after-school activities and sports (...and libraries, YMCAs, youth centres, camps, sports, tutoring, mentoring) all the time, instead of school?

About the results, Kenneth writes: “Opting out of high school in a positive way with the support of North Star does not leave students excluded from higher education. In fact, it is likely that the confidence in their ability to learn, which they develop at North Star, motivates them to further their education.” (p.145). He has also published an article about what happens to the kids who go through this program, see https://www.self-directed.org/tp/north-star-alumni/

Visit North Star’s webpage http://www.northstarteens.org/, for more info.

Ken’s webpage, for info about his book, blog, youtube lectures and podcasts he’s appeared on, is: https://kennethdanford.com/

 

Lars’ two blog posts about North Star (in Norwegian) is available at:

https://larssandaker.blogspot.com/2019/10/north-star-et-alternativ-til-skolen.html

https://larssandaker.blogspot.com/2020/02/hva-om-ungdom-ikke-matte-ga-pa-skole.html

 

We would love your feedback on this episode. What are your thoughts, experiences, counterarguments, and ideas about how to spread such ideas about education? Please contact us on the email address below.

 

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Our logo is by Sveinung Sudbø, see his works on originalkopi.com

The music is by Arne Kjelsrud Mathisen, see the facebook page Nygrenda Vev og Dur for more info.

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Thank you for listening. You can contact us on our facebook page or by email: larsogpaal@gmail.com

There is no better way for the podcast to gain new interested listener than by you sharing it with friends, so if you find what we do interesting and useful, please consider doing just that. The podcast is still most in Norwegian, but we have a lot of episodes coming out in English.

Our blogs:

https://paljabekk.com/

https://larssandaker.blogspot.com/

Alt godt, hilsen Lars og Pål

Feb 21, 2020

«– Én, sa geitekillingen. Dette hørte en kalv som gikk i nærheten og åt gras. – Hva gjør du for noe? sa kalven. – Jeg teller meg, sa geitekillingen. – Skal jeg telle deg også?»

Alf Prøysen, Geitekillingen som kunne telle til ti, 1957

 

Menneskenes bruk av tall er en gammel historie, men idag teller vi mer enn noensinne, også hva som foregår i vår egen kropp. Dette er data som frem til for få år siden kun var tilgjengelige via avanserte maskiner på sykehus og laboratorier, men som mer og mer blir mulig å måle med en smarttelefon med tilbehør.

I denne episoden snakker vi om telling, registrering, de enorme mengder med data som verden over samles via smarttelefoner, apper og måleapparater, via bluetooth, kabler og sensorer. Hva måler vi, og hvorfor? Forstår vi disse tallene vi får om egen kropp, våre prestasjoner og gjennomsnittlige verdier, og i en større kontekst, fra arbeidslivet og i skolen? Kan vi stole på den informasjonen vi får? Kan vi bruke den selv, kan vitenskapen bruke den? Får vi større kontakt med, og bedre forståelse for vår egen kropp, eller distanseres vi fra den? Er faren for en besettelse med alskens måling større enn de fordelene vi eventuelt kan få fra slike aktiviteter?

Dette er et nytt fenomen, og har dermed som alltid langt flere spørsmål enn svar. Vi har ikke så mange svar, men vi forsøker å diskutere endel av disse grunnleggende spørsmålene.

Vi håper det oppleves interessant og nyttig, og ser frem til å høre fra deg, om du har spørsmål og kommentarer.

 

Bøker, artikler og podkaster om tema:

Peter Attia, The Drive #05 – Dom D’Agostino, Ph.D.: ketosis, n=1, exogenous ketones, HBOT, seizures, and cancer, 18.juli 2018, https://peterattiamd.com/domdagostino/

Benjamin Breen, «Newton’s Needle: On Scientific Self-Experimentation», Pacific Standard, 24.juli, 2014,

https://psmag.com/social-justice/newtons-needle-scientific-self-experimentation-86583

Allen Neuringer,

- «Self-Experimentation: A call for change», Behaviorism, Vol.9(1), spring 1981

- «Meloration and Self-Experimentation», Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, No.3, 42, 397-406, 1984

Kevin Rose, #23 - Matthew Walker Ph.D - Author of "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams", https://www.kevinrose.com/single-post/matthew-walker

Burrhus Frederic Skinner, Walden Two, 1948

Melanie Swan, “The Quantified Self: Fundamental Disruption in Big Data Science and Biological Discovery”, Big Data, Vol.1, No.2, 2013

Henry David Thoreau, Walden; or, Life in the Woods, 1854

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Logoen vår er laget av Sveinung Sudbø, se hans arbeider på originalkopi.com

Musikken er av Arne Kjelsrud Mathisen, se facebooksiden Nygrenda Vev og Dur for mer info.

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Takk for at du hører på. Ta kontakt med oss på vår facebookside eller på larsogpaal@gmail.com

Det finnes ingen bedre måte å få spredt podkasten vår til flere enn via dere lyttere, så takk om du deler eller forteller andre om oss.

Både Lars og Pål skriver nå på hver sin blogg, med litt varierende regelmessighet. Du finner dem på disse nettsidene:

https://paljabekk.com/

https://larssandaker.blogspot.com/

 

Alt godt, hilsen Lars og Pål

Feb 8, 2020

In this episode Lars talks to Kevin Ashworth, who is a licensed therapist and the clinical director of North West Anxiety Clinic in Portland, Oregon. We discuss anxiety, psychological treatments like cognitive behavioral therapy, and how we talk about and deal with these issues in our society.

What is anxiety, and what is the difference between the kind of anxiety we all have and feel, and anxiety that needs treatment? How do we deal with our own emotions, what sorts of perspectives and tools can we use in dealing with them, and where do these approaches come from? Is anxiety a rising problem in our societies today, and in that case, why?

There’s a lot of things we don’t know about these topics, and this conversation is also an essay in trying to distinguish between what we do know and what we don’t know, and the importance of admitting our own limits and ignorance.

 

Recommendations from Kevin

Jonathan Haidt & Greg Lukianoff - The Coddling of the American Mind, 2018

Julie Lythcott-Haims - How to Raise an Adult, 2016

Oliver Sacks – The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Other Clinical Tales, 2006

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Our logo is by Sveinung Sudbø, see his works on originalkopi.com

 

The music is by Arne Kjelsrud Mathisen, see the facebook page Nygrenda Vev og Dur for more info.

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Thank you for listening. You can contact us on our facebook page or by email: larsogpaal@gmail.com

There is no better way for the podcast to gain new interested listener than by you sharing it with friends, so if you find what we do interesting and useful, please consider doing just that. The podcast is still most in Norwegian, but we have a lot of episodes coming out in English.

Our blogs:

https://paljabekk.com/

https://larssandaker.blogspot.com/

 

Alt godt, hilsen Lars og Pål

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